In this episode, John and Chris will share the second part of their 95-minute interview with Brad Gibb of Cashflow Tactics, where they talked about the definition of financial freedom, what that really means, and how to attain it.
They’re also going to talk about how to completely change the rules of the financial game while also posing the question whether a ton of money in your retirement account can change your reality tomorrow. You won’t wanna miss this one. We are going to go deep into what financial freedom is, how most people think about it wrong, and how you can still live an enjoyable life while pursuing financial freedom.
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This episode was released October 23, 2019
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Speaker 1: 00:00 Hey, we are super excited for this episode. This is the second part of the interview with Brad Gibb. And… and today, what he’s going to reveal. What? Wait for it, wait for it. He’s going to reveal how to achieve financial freedom, and this is the hint; does not take millions of dollars, or multiple decades to achieve it. And then what else Chris? Well, we’re also going to talk about the reality that if I could give you a check for $100 million, $1 trillion, I don’t even care the amount of money, it… unlimited numbers of zeroes, and deposit it into your retirement account, it would not change your reality tomorrow. Last thing, as if that wasn’t enough, is how to completely change the rules of your financial game. We are so, so excited for this. Let’s dive in.
Speaker 2: 00:42 What’s up everyone? You are listening to Yoga Entrepreneur Secrets. I am Chris Yax, and I’m John Yax. We are part of a small group of yoga entrepreneurs who are committed to making a living, doing what we love, without feeling guilty about making money, or ashamed of being successful, because we know the real value of yoga and how the world needs it now more than ever. This podcast is here to teach the strategies and tactics so we can thrive financially as yoga entrepreneurs. We are the Yax brothers and welcome to Yoga Entrepreneur Secrets.
New Speaker: 01:13 Awesome question. I want everybody to think about that for a minute, pause, and you guys can think about like, define financial freedom, right? Most people tie financial freedom to net worth. Right? The amount of money that they have in their possession, and they can put on a balance sheet. For me, that has zero to do with it. I was financially free before I ever made six figures, and before I ever had a net worth of $1 million, I was financially free. Because for me…
Speaker 1: 01:38 How is that possible? Because in my… like, what I’ve been taught, and what I’ve been like, up till now, literally up until May 25th, my understanding of like financial freedom was, put money away in a retirement plan that is based in stocks, and it will eventually compound, and you will then at some end point be able to take that money and never work again. And when you put it in, it’s tax free, but when you take it out, you’re taxed. Somehow that like, the government still get… like there… so, there’s… it’s what we’re calling…. So I’d love you to unpack that a little bit.
Speaker 3: 02:15 Yes. So it’s… it’s… again, it starts with setting the right target. Let’s go through this thought experiment. If I could write a check again with as many zeros as you want, and like we’re all in our thirties, how old are you guys. 39. I just turned 38. So for us especially, if I could write you guys a check with as many zeros, I can’t. I’d love to, but I can. But if I write a check with as many zeros as you guys need to be totally financially free, but then I deposit that in your retirement account. Is life any different tomorrow?
Speaker 1: 02:48 Not even a little. No. Not a bit.
Speaker 3: 02:50 It feels really good to open up your account balance, but can it impact your life tomorrow? It can’t. Because what do we really want out of that account? We don’t want a big account balance. What we want it to do is to translate into income, and replace the income, because most people want to stop… have the ability to stop whatever it is that’s creating income in our life. So, we don’t want savings, we want income. And we’ve been taught that we need to accumulate, and then we’ll translate it in some magical way. If you want a funny thing… have you ever watched the cartoon South Park? Google’s Underwear Gnomes? And, watch that, because they go through it. It’s like this whole business plan of, we’re going to do step one, and step two is… and then step three, we make a bunch of money. That’s… There is no step two in this process of how does this accumulation of capital somehow turn into income.
Speaker 3: 03:47 So we just cut the whole middle out, and say financial freedom, and I’ll… I’ll bring my screen back up for those that are watching live, or I mean on the… on the video. Financial freedom is when your cashflow from your investments, from activities that are not… we’ll get into this later. There’s no such thing as passive income, but income that is not directly attributed to your current active activity, when that exceeds your expenses, you are financially free. Agreed? Yeah. Yeah. Because and, financial freedom means I’m not reliant on waking up and producing for my income. This has nothing to do with net worth. This has nothing to do with how much money you make. It just we community like these two sides of the equation create more cashflow or manage our expenses. And as soon as this assault, I’m, I don’t have to wake up and worry about money anymore cause it’s take care.
Speaker 4: 04:42 It doesn’t have to happen when I’m 59 and a half years old.
Speaker 3: 04:45 And then to our point, anybody following the right set of principles that are focused on the most effective ways to create cashflow can do this in 10 years or less. This is the mission of Cashflow Tactics,
Speaker 4: 05:01 financial freedom, cashflow, exceeding expenses in 10 years or less. That’s the mission of Cashflow Tactics. Yep. You have to be a business owner.
Speaker 3: 05:10 You do not have to be no. But what we will teach you to do, and this is the cool connection, you have to be entrepreneurial with your mind. You cannot accept the, someone else will come save me. Someone will care more. Somebody is smarter than me. Somebody knows what I need more than I do with your mind. That’s an area that the life you cannot turn over. So we’re teaching you to take control and responsibility of your, of your money in your capital. It doesn’t mean do it all. I don’t do all the things in my business, right? But I understand it. I know it. I control it.
Speaker 4: 05:43 Right? So Brian, let me, let me stop you for a second. Cause I think, uh, some minds just got blown. Um, well listeners, um, so what we’ve all been taught to do, whether you’re an entrepreneur or not, is to invest in either a 401k program or an IRA, simple or golf or whatever, uh, and continue to put money in that until it builds up enough to, I get to the end of this working career time where I can start to live off that, right? It start to take money out of it and use that as my, my income. So explain for our listeners why that is so dangerous by that. So not what you like the opposite of what you guys are teaching and the reason,
Speaker 3: 06:27 Oh man, where do I start? Cause there’s so many reasons why this just fundamentally doesn’t work. Okay, I’ll start with this. I don’t have a problem inherently with 401ks. Okay. And you guys are like heresy cause you just spent yesterday bashing up yesterday. I bashed up a lot. We’ll do 401ks work. I have to say yes because you will have more money. I believe just about everybody that participates in a 401k w at the end of their retirement, they’ll have more money than they put into it. That’s good. That’s irrefutable, right?
Speaker 4: 07:02 Unless the 2007 happens again. But yes,
Speaker 3: 07:04 correct. If you, if you, they CRE they designed, cause if 2007 happened three years saying, well don’t worry about it. You’re in for the long run in no recover. And that’s probably true. Right? So over a 40 year participation in a 401k account, you’ll have more than you put in. But where I have issue with it is does it accomplish our goals and our outcomes? Can a 401k be a vehicle to help us be financially free at 10 years or less? No, never under any set of circumstances is that attainable? So that’s why I dismissed a 401k. Right. Does a 401k make it so I pay the least amount of taxes possible. No, actually pay more taxes when I use the 401k account. So I don’t want to use it from that standpoint. Do I have control over the capital and the investments and the outcome?
Speaker 3: 07:48 If I’m not getting what I want, can I influence it? No I can’t. I’m not going to use that account. Right? So we go back to these sets of principles that we operate in it for those that for anyone that has ever been financially successful enough to be financially independent before the age of 65 has followed a certain set of principles. Then after we teach the 401k violates all of those. Okay. And then the last part about it, and we can get more tactical. You guys just guided me, but the other part about it then I have, the other issue that I have is no matter how much money you have set aside and accumulated, if you have [inaudible], if your retirement has looked like this, accumulating a balance of assets and then you’re supposed to let go of all of everything you’ve done for the last 40 years, all of the programs security you have around a paycheck and then start drying this account down.
Speaker 3: 08:44 You will, no matter how much you managed to accumulate, you will be in scarcity from day one. Cause anytime you are withdrawing and seeing that net worth balance go down. Do, does any of us know how long we have to live or how much it’s going to cost us to live throughout retirement? Yeah. So there will always be a question Mark of will this last, am I not taking too much? And you will be programmed to take the least amount out. So you spent 40 years living in scarcity around trying to spend the least amount possible, defer all of your gratification and live into the future. And then if you’re successful and you do actually retire, you’re going to spend retirement doing the same thing, trying to live out all your dreams that you deferred while you were working on the least amount of money possible just in case so that it lasts long enough. It’s miserable even if you’re successful.
Speaker 1: 09:41 Yeah, totally. It’s funny, like in yoga we talk about like living fully in the present, living fully in the present and what gets set up in the financial world is wait to live until when? Until you retire. So that when life starts like, and what’s so fascinating to me too is when we started getting into the Academy, the training videos, the majority of the videos in the beginning, we’re not tactical. They didn’t tell me where to invest. They didn’t tell me like what you’re gonna do not do. Like what’s all for, okay. What’s like right with real estate. It was like, it was more about self development
Speaker 3: 10:16 and to how we got ya. It’s about self development wrapped in, Hey you need to go and do these poses. But ultimately it’s everything is, sorry I cut you off.
Speaker 1: 10:26 Exactly right. And I guess we loved it because that’s our world. We have our desires to help empower people to live their best lives through this practice of yoga, through meditation, through that conscious movement, through and then first like for people who are listening to this who have now fall in love with that so much that they now want to offer that to others. Right. And it’s not, the whole premise behind it is to be able to live fully. And so what was so like, I have a question that’s coming on this limb, but the first thing is that what was so aligned with us as far as like yoga entrepreneurs is it was giving us the freedom to live and the tools, the tactics, the understanding, the strategies. This literally like we’ve taken a red pill to see this whole new paradigm that brings the present into our grasp in terms of what it means financially to live fully in the present and to regain control over something that has been taught my entire life to give it to somebody else who knows that.
Speaker 1: 11:25 Why would you ever know like the finances and the markets and never learn and why would you ever want to try to figure it out? Because there’s smarter people than you. They’re going to tell you what to do and what this does. It’s very empowering is my point. How did you come, like was it just through you living the process that you realized, wait, we can’t go to why most people want us to go and tell them like, okay, what real estate should I invest in and what is like what are the mechanics of the
Speaker 3: 11:54 cash on cash and was that just born from your own experience or was that like or yeah, what, what point did you realize people need personal development before we jump into the bigger stuff? It ultimately comes out of, and you’re right on all those accounts. Like it’s so interesting that, but you guys are in the world of empowerment and so are we. Your vehicle is yoga. Mine’s money. We’re doing the exact same thing. You’re just using yoga and I’m using mine. Does that make sense? I got hope. Everybody listening really like makes sense of that. And Stephen Larsen with offer. Mine is doing the same thing. He’s empowering you with with business systems and marketing systems. It’s all about empowerment. But the one area of life that still remains very, very protected is, is the area of money that we, we can be empowered with. Money. Money is one of those couple of topics that’s just off the table. Um, so you know, to be able to ever do that and that’s what we’re out to shift and change. How did I get there? I think it’s a combination of a couple of things growing up on a farm and being in a very free environment definitely seeded some of that for those that, I know you guys are into personality tests at all, like [inaudible].
Speaker 3: 13:03 So it seems like every, you know, you’re in a good mastermind group if they give you a personality test first and say you need to bring this so you understand yourself and how you interact with anybody else. Yeah. So getting into, I was in, I’m in Russell Brunson’s mastermind group and they use the disc assessment pretty heavily there and there’s two components to the disc assessments. There’s the ratings on the DIC, but there’s also a values assessment that underlies that. And it wasn’t until I had a deep dive with a discS expert in that group that something really interesting was uncovered and it’s mirrored me, Ryan and Jimmy. So the three founders of cashflow tactics, we all had one value that did not make sense for the business that we rent it rather it pause for a second. Will you close down the share so I can see you better?
Speaker 3: 13:47 Yes, there we go. So the values, like as a money guy, economics should have been my top one like dollars and cents, right? That was one of my lowest. Wow. Political also should’ve been very high where we had Mike authority. I’m in charge. You’re going to do what I say, right? Those two for most money people are the highest driving motivation that leads them into the conversation of money. Those are the lowest for me and Ryan and Jimmy. The highest is whatever one translates to independence or freedom from all of us. So from a very young age, money to me acquainted to freedom, to being controlling, having what I want and the outcomes that I’m pursuing. So as I built, and again it led all the way through, like anytime I got cornered and constrained, I made a shit and I needed to get out of that.
Speaker 3: 14:41 Right. With my education, with Goldman Sachs, with, with the other job that I had all the way here to cashflow tactics. So, but the, as I learned and studied and put the elements of money, I was always looking at it from a standpoint of is this investment, does this analysis, does this opportunity make be more for your less frame? It it, I never asked the question of am I going to make money or not? To me that was a given. If I’m not making money in investment, I’m really bad at this. Like it’s not make money or not make money that it should always be make money or why am I involved? Right? So it was does this get me closer to my outcome of freedom or not? And that’s how I was able to become financially free before ever making six figures or being worth $1 million is I lined up every single decision to move the needle toward being more financially free than I was before and we shortcutted the process and eliminated everything that doesn’t line up all the things that actually move the needle to get us there. And that’s how, that’s how we ended up putting this together to where we can be financially free in 10 years or less if we just do all the things that make us free and none of the things that don’t, it has nothing to do with making more money or not. I ends up that way. And you guys now see it in the process we’ve taken you through, right?
Speaker 4: 15:53 Yeah, absolutely. And this is one, I think this is what we our minds most is is that the common understanding is that to be financially free, you need to make 10,000 a month, 20,000 a month personal take home or $1 million or 2 million or 10 million depending on whatever lifestyle you want to have. And the reality is, and we’ll talk was if you simplify it, what are your expenses? What’s your cashflow? And make one of those bigger than the other.
Speaker 3: 16:21 And the interesting part about it though, and this is where I love coming back into the entrepreneur side and the side of production, like I don’t have to cut my accent. There are people out there that can get you financial grants, tenders in Alaska, they’re your eat rice and beans you’re getting, we’re just going to reduce the expense side. I don’t, we don’t live come out a place of scarcity. Like anything you want to me like you guys already know this from my addiction and this life is horsepower and it’s like, it’s very expensive to have a horsepower addiction. Like I want to start like a foundation for those [inaudible] nonprofits. But to me, those things just become carrots. They become the incentive, not for what they are. But I know that if I want to do those things, I first have to take care of like I have to go through and I, yeah, my family comes first and I have to grow my business.
Speaker 3: 17:13 I have to add value so enough other people that they give me money. And in order to get that I have to add value and not like I have to, I give a lot to charity and I made sure those around me and taking care of him only if after I’ve accomplished all of those things do I then still have money left over and I get to go enjoy those types of things. So I won’t lie in people’s lives out the same way. So it’s not about reducing expenses, it’s about understanding the principles around creating the most cashflow we possibly can. But where I wanted to go with that was once you hit it at a very minimal nominal level, like my first declaration of financial, I look at it and I’m like, I spend more than that in like a day sometimes. Now it’s laugh like it’s, I’m my financial freedom number now is 10 or 20 X that. But once I hit it the first time, the entire rules of the game change because now once I hit it, I was like, I’m gonna have to go to work tomorrow. Do I really want to go to work tomorrow and if I am, what am I going to do on there? Like the entire rules of the game change of where I get to spend my time and thinking and deciding and
Speaker 3: 18:22 have you’ve ever been Kiyosaki’s game of Castro? Like when you exit the rat race, the literal rules written for the board game change, you pull out a different set of rules and you play by a different set of rules. The same happens financially and every time I pull out a new set of rules and see how the world works, it’s like Holy crap now. Now I can create financial freedom at an entirely different level. I didn’t even think was possible, but I couldn’t see it until I created it. I love it. One,
Speaker 1: 18:51 you’ve literally, you’re changing. Like what occurred to me over the last couple of weeks has been I’m not, I’m playing a different game. Yes. I have literally exited out of the game that I’ve been taught to play and which doesn’t give me control. It doesn’t increases my risk. It increases the taxes, I pay it like and all the sudden, but what, so I’m now like, it’s like I literally, I always think I’m like I’m taking the red pill. I’m like I’m seeing inside the matrix I see zero ones everywhere. That’s all I got. But so hearing all that and like hearing like your take on the stock market and would like this different way of looking at financial freedom. It’s so counter to what the mainstream philosophy is. Like how and so [inaudible] not to mention we have advisors, right who are in within the game that they’re playing or giving us sound advice that makes sense for what success and freedom means within that game.
Speaker 1: 19:54 So just a personal story like I’ve been like going through the process and I’ve like I had to talk to my financial advisor and I am like defunding my IRA so that I can be financially free. Harris, Chris going to get some comments on that please. It’s okay. I’ll be fine. You’re, you guys are good. Wait. Yes. Yeah, exactly. And it’s okay for you to think I’m crazy. Just just watch is what I’ll say. Just watch and I’ll, and I’ll just document it the whole way, but it was so in this conversation I had with my advisor, he was aggressive in like, no, the path you’re going down is the enemy. It’s the wrong thing to do. You’re like, this is not, I cannot more strongly advise you against this. And it shook me in my the, in all of the things I’ve been learning, everything that I’ve been, that I’ve, I like
Speaker 3: 20:48 that I see as an example within mentors within you and Ryan and it was Jimmy and all the people that are in the community who are doing it and like they’re successful and they’re becoming like they’re on the path. And I guess my question is how in that situation would you have coached me to handle that situation? Awesome. That is such a powerful conversation because I like this question so much, so much more than Brad. I got $10,000 what should I do with it? Like this is a much more powerful question because I guess said to be empowered, you can’t ask the question, what do I do with my money? If you’re asking the question, what do I do with my money? What’s exposed is that you don’t have enough financial IQ. So the answer is invest in yourself until you know what to do.
Speaker 3: 21:33 Then you start asking questions of how do I get this outcome and who do I need to connect with to give me that outcome. Those are the questions of, of people with a high level of financial IQ but not the, what do I do with my money that’s exposing your level of financial IQ. So this is the powerful question of alignment, right? The first thing I would have asked about this advisor being mr aggressive is I say Chris and John, look at this advisor. Do you want what he has financially? What’s your answer? Nope. Nope. Is he financially where you want to be? No. Is his track that he is personally on one. You want to be following in his footsteps? Okay. So why are you asking this guy advice?
Speaker 3: 22:17 Cause I’ve been conditioned to cause he very been conditioned to, right. We’ve been conditioned and this goes back to the conversation at the beginning of college and degrees and education and the mentality that we have to break away with. Again, college is good. If you walk away with a skill that you can’t be conditioned there. He has more letters after his name than you, right? Yeah. It took more tests that tell him he’s smarter than you. Yes. That’s what he’s holding over you. So he knows the vehicle of a four to one K better than you do. And that vehicle, if you participate in it, we’ll have more money than you put into it. So he could hold inside of that frame, some leverage over, but he is not financially free. Okay. Would you ever take a yoga class from me? Nope. Thank you. Good.
Speaker 3: 23:03 You do yoga and I like yoga. I’m not the one to take honest as yet. There’s some you haven’t told was bad. No. And so, but I would take yoga classes from you because you’ve done it right. So here’s a guy trying to give you advice in an area that he has not played. Is he an entrepreneur? Nope. Has he made an investment in a bet on himself ever since college? No, probably not. Right? Does he have cashflow in his life? What is his tax bill look like? What are the things he’s trying to do with his money? He’s collecting his paycheck and funding his accounts and then that’s it. So he does not have the ability to give you the advice that you’re looking for.
Speaker 1: 23:46 That makes total sense.
Speaker 3: 23:48 Now we can go down the road of all the reasons why what he’s telling you is still not going to get the outcome, but it fundamentally starts with he is trying to [inaudible].
Speaker 1: 23:56 Yeah. This has been the biggest game changer for me. Is the financial IQ increasing that to empower myself to have to actually take part in conversations that I had never taken part in or is that in these previous episodes, John and I, we you’re talking about our money issues, talking about growing up poor, talking about a dad who held strong to his art of like literally like canvas and paint but didn’t understand how to market it and really honestly didn’t have any interest in it and he would always be like there the universe will provide, well it always did at the 11th hour, but that left us in the wake of like poverty. We’re, yeah, we’re broke and I’m short free 10 now. He was, he’s been meditating this whole year his whole life, but it would be down to the wire over and over again. Six kids. We grew up with six kids in our family and it would be normal. So I have hope, okay, be good.
Speaker 1: 24:46 And it would be right about like a week away from Christmas Brad and he didn’t have any money to buy the by presence. Inevitably in that week someone would say, okay, I want to do a commission and here’s a three, pay this money money up front. But it was living a life like that and it’s always down at a lot. Yeah. So I guess my point is like we’ve been having this money conversation and it’s funny cause I’ve understand the scarcity mindset, the poverty consciousness that I’ve actually outgrown. But what also happened in that was I hadn’t taken the next step of leveling up and actually understanding too, cause there’s always expansion, there’s always evolution. And I was like up until very recently it was like okay I’m, I understand the nature of money as energy and like it follows the value that you can provide for somebody and if you saw a big enough problem then it’s going to come to you.
Speaker 1: 25:34 And like if you have the right mindset, you do the work and you all the stuff that I know to be true. But there was this next level of understanding of what is financial freedom. And this is what’s really interesting. And I don’t believe in coincidences only synchronicities is that John and I, when we write our goals down, we’re very clear about what it is that we want to accomplish. And the, the specific phrase that we have had on this goal setting list is financial freedom, financial freedom. And when we saw the tagline, financial freedom in 10 years or less, and you can see that for like three and a half hours to like completely change our reality, it was like, Oh, this is it. This is the direction. But it goes back to having the target, understanding where you want to go and then, and then being willing, two, spend money on yourself to develop yourself as human being as a person so that you can grow into the person and the goals and the reality that you want to live in.
Speaker 3: 26:29 But what I want to point out what you just said is money and finance is a skill set that needs to be learned just like any other skillset, right? You had to learn Joe GHA good first. Now you’re trying to learn marketing good, right? And business skills. Good, but you need to learn money skills good as well. And I’m saying good on purpose. I know that’s not grammatically correct to make the point right. We have to learn this set of skill set to match and increase along with the other places that we expand in our lives. And that’s what like we’re trying to recondition the market or recondition our clients or be conditioned, everybody that comes to us because they just want us to give them the answer. That’s not my objective. That’s easy. That would be the easy route out for me. It would be, don’t ask me any questions, give me your money and let me do my thing and I can make everybody a lot of money.
Speaker 3: 27:14 That’s not what we’re here for. That’s not financial freedom because if I got hit by a bus now you’re screwed. Mm. No matter what I did for you, if you don’t understand what it is and have the skillset to be a high enough financial IQ for it and either I’m hurting you because I’m going to get hit by a bus or I’m hurting you because I’m giving. It’s like I don’t give my three-year-old a pair of scissors, not a smart parenting move. Right. The same thing is I don’t give somebody financial scissors to say, yeah, go do all these things cause their financial IQ is not high enough to gauge.
Speaker 1: 27:48 Yeah. Um, and I got like a thousand questions that I wrote down,
Speaker 3: 27:52 but man, that is very tactical. Are there a couple of tactical things we can give everybody, cause I’m, I hope we did it like financially, but are there a couple of like major questions we know we could just hammer on before again, maybe we do that.
Speaker 1: 28:04 Yeah, let’s do that. I think a huge one is for you to go into core four. Awesome. Awesome. That is something that I routinely go back to over and over again because it’s principles, it’s gotten guide decisions. It’s the guideline follow.
Speaker 3: 28:20 Whoa. Isn’t that amazing. So coming in the next episode, this is going to be a third part of the interview, this interview with Brad Gib, the final part, the third and final. What do we got, Chris? Well, at the final part of this trilogy, we’re going to be talking about the core four which are financial principles to live by. We’re all gonna be talking about the iceberg principle and the last bit is
Speaker 2: 28:43 B, the three best places to invest your money. Yeeees, being an entrepreneur is the best, but it has tons of challenges, right? Two of the biggest are; how to make more money and how to keep more of the money that you do make. Just recently, John and I were at an event called Offer Mind, and we had the opportunity to see Brad Gibb deliver a presentation that just blew our minds. It was called, “How to Turn Business Cashflow into Personal Cashflow.” His whole presentation was designed to teach entrepreneurs like us, the principles of how to make more money and keep more of the money you make. After this interview, we asked him if we’d ever be able to get our hands on his presentation. Well, because he’s awesome, he said yes. And, for a limited time, he agreed to let us give it to you. To get it, all you have to do is join our Yoga Entrepreneur Secrets Facebook group. So, go over to Facebook, and search for Yoga Entrepreneur Secrets. When request to join, you’ll answer three simple questions. Just be sure to leave your best email in the third question, so we know where to send the link. And remember, do the work, honor the struggle, and make the world a better place.
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